Brian Brown Appears On MSNBC

Brian Brown appeared on an MSNBC panel this weekend where he declared that if a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage were to make it onto the Indiana ballot, "We'll see North Carolina all over again." Josh Barro gets in some good shots.

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INDIANA: Mary Cheney Speaks Against Proposed Gay Marriage Ban

As advertised, Mary Cheney on Thursday appeared at a Freedom Indiana event to denounce the attempt to write a gay marriage ban into the state constitution. Via Buzzfeed:

Of Freedom Indiana’s campaign against the proposal, which must be passed by the legislature for a second time before being put to the people for a vote, Mary Cheney said, “While certainly a step in the right direction, defeating HJR-6 won’t get us there. Not even close.” Freedom Indiana campaign manager Megan Robertson said in a statement, “We were honored to have Ms. Cheney visit Indiana and voice her opposition to HJR-6, the proposed amendment that would permanently destroy legal protections for so many Hoosier families.”

Hit the link for video of Cheney's remarks.

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Posted in: Indiana,LGBT rights,marriage equality,Mary Cheney

Convoluted Legal Restrictions on Consent

Although the age of consent varies from country to country, and in the US, from state to state, this blog is generally not about altering age of consent laws. An exception to this is that I think the laws should be consistent. By that I mean that if, say, a 17-year-old can legally consent to sex with a complete stranger, they should be free to consent to sex with, say, an aunt or uncle. An example of the problem that selective restrictions cause is shown below.

Here's another one of those articles that is missing some important information. Stan Maddux wrote at Indiana's heraldgus.com...

A 45-year-old Westville-area man admitted to having sexual contact with a family member.

The man entered a plea agreement Friday in La Porte Circuit Court. Terms call for a five-year prison sentence for Class C felony incest.

Notice that the charge is "incest" and it is referred to as "sexual contact," no charges or mentions of assault of any kind. From the official state website:

IC 35-46-1-3
Incest
     Sec. 3. (a) A person eighteen (18) years of age or older who engages in sexual intercourse or deviate sexual conduct with another person, when the person knows that the other person is related to the person biologically as a parent, child, grandparent, grandchild, sibling, aunt, uncle, niece, or nephew, commits incest, a Class C felony. However, the offense is a Class B felony if the other person is less than sixteen (16) years of age.
    (b) It is a defense that the accused person's otherwise incestuous relation with the other person was based on their marriage, if it was valid where entered into.

So if half-siblings legally married in Sweden, and moved to Indiana, they could have sex all they want. But if their neighbors were half-siblings, not only could they not get married, but they could get prosecuted. Wouldn't it just be easier to let anyone of the age of consent have consensual sex with anyone else of the age of consent, and not get law enforcement involved?

While being questioned by La Porte County Deputy Prosecutor Beth Beckman, the man admitted to engaging in sexual contact with a female biological relative in 2009 at his home in the 8600 block of West 350 South.

In the US, there is something called the right to remain silent. Use it, people!

She was 16 at the time of the acts, which allegedly occurred during the summer. According to court documents, the man was also convicted of incest on the same victim in Michigan.

The age of consent in both Indiana and Michigan is 16. However, the law in Indiana says that while a 16-year-old can consent to sex with ten different 50-year-old strangers every night, she can't consent to sex with a guardian, custodian, adoptive parent, adoptive grandparent, stepparent, her child care worker, or a military recruiter who is trying to enlist her, until she is 18. Sex with biological or genetic relations is criminalized under anti-incest law listed up above, so it isn't legal for her to consent to sex with a biological relative no matter how old she is. So, if she's 18 and meets her genetic father, having never met him before or having any communication with him whatsoever (let's say she is the product of a one night stand,) it is illegal for her to have sex with him, but perfectly legal, apparently, for her to go home to the stepfather who has raised her since birth and have sex with him. Again, wouldn't it just be easier to let anyone of the age of consent have consensual sex with anyone else of the age of consent, and not get law enforcement involved?

In Michigan, the age of consent is also bumped up to 18 if the situation involves an authority figure.

He was serving a 5- to 15-year sentence at the Lakeland Correctional Facility in Coldwater, Mich., when he was transported to La Porte County to face the charges in the local jurisdication.

The now 20-year-old woman told authorities she also had sexual contact with the man when he came to visit her while she was living with her mother near Detroit, court records disclosed.

She "told authorities." But was it in response to them interrogating her? Or did she call them to complain? If she didn't, who did? If this was some form of assault, why isn't he being charged under sexual assault or rape laws? The defendant obviously doesn't have regular custody of her. Whether he's her biological father or uncle, we're not told.

The victim told investigators he would rent a motel room where the sexual acts occurred in Michigan.

Although it is still possible this is a matter of assault, is it really likely that, given their recent history, she would have gone to a hotel room with him if she didn't want to have sex with him? She didn't live with him and they had "sexual contact" multiple times, in at least two different states.

The plea agreement was taken under advisement by the court and, if accepted, Judge Tom Alevizos scheduled sentencing for Dec. 21.

Please, Judge Alevizos, if this isn't a matter of assault, then do not send him to prison.

Considering he would have faced this same charge whether she was 16, 18, 25, or 40, this brings up an issue of concern to many. Some people who do support the rights of siblings to be together have a problem with parents and their adult children being together. The concern usually cited is that a parent will "groom" their own child, and then, when the child reaches the age of consent (let's pick California, where the age is 18,) the parent pounces on their brainwashed child.

Absent a severe disability that makes it impossible, I maintain that it is child abuse for a parent to neglect to raise their child to be an independent adult in every sense of the word. "Grooming" would be child abuse. If, however, as an independent adult, a woman (or man) were to return to her parent(s) and freely choose to commence sexual contact, marriage, etc., I do not think the law should interfere. I think the law is ridiculous when it says an 18-year-old woman can consent to join the military, vote, run for certain political offices, operate heavy machinery, and have sex with ten different strangers a night, but not marry two men at the same time or have sex with certain people she already knows and loves.


Some cite the power differential or the emotional imbalance. However, it is legal for her to have sex with a music or movie star she's idolized since she was 12, or the President of the United States, or a billionaire, or anyone else, so these reasons are not consistently applied, but rather seems like an attempt to justify putting or keeping a personal dislike into law.

Arbitrary lines create inequality. For example, it is illegal for a woman to have sex with a genetic uncle she never met until she was an adult, but not an older neighbor or an uncle-through-marriage who practically raised her. Other than age of consent, I do not see any restriction that consistently respects her choices with her own body. Not all choices will be good ones or ones I may like, but I do not support having strangers tell an adult (woman in this example) which other adults she can have sex with or marry.

We have real examples of states (like Rhode Island, for example) and countries where an adult can legally consent to have sex with their own parent. Has anyone noticed that those places have an increase problems correlating to this? I think the answer is no.

It comes back to this: an adult, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, race, or religion, should be free to share love, sex, residence, and marriage with ANY consenting adults, without prosecution, bullying, or discrimination. We're not going to like all of the relationships that other people have, but those relationships should be theirs to have, or not. Adopting this approach will make our laws less intrusive, less wasteful, and will promote equality and will help actual victims to come forward.

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Indiana Still Arresting Adults For Consensual Sex With Each Other

From wbiw.com comes this news from Bloomington, Indiana...

An aunt-nephew pair faces preliminary incest charges after being discovered in a pickup truck in a semi-state of undress Wednesday morning.

While on patrol, a Bloomington police officer came across 20-year-old Jesse Pedro, and 36-year-old Anniabell Scherill, sitting in a black GMC Sierra at about 2:20 a.m. in a parking lot on the west side of Cascades Park in Bloomington.

They are both adults. Why should they be arrested for having sex with each other? Who is the victim?

Kovach says, after questioning both admitted to having consensual sexual intercourse with one another.

That should be none of a police officer's business. DON'T TELL! Do not assist with an unjust prosecution.

She told the officer her and Pedro had been at their respective places of work prior to the incident and that she was undergoing marital issues at the time.

There is a chance, however remote, that her spouse knew and approved. But even if she was actually cheating, that shouldn't make it a criminal matter. This is a waste of law enforcement resources.

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