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Showing posts with label Alabama. Show all posts
Monday, December 23, 2013
Posted in: Wednesday, June 26, 2013
So Many Questions About Georgia Case Against Father
A man thought to have fathered up to eight children with his daughter faces incest charges in Colquitt County and could face charges in other jurisdictions in Alabama and Georgia.Notice the article says "incest charges," not assault, rape, etc. So far, the article doesn't mention her age, which matters.
Three counts of "incest." Again, not assault. The age of consent in Alabama and Georgia is 16. That means this young woman was free to have group sex with complete strangers ranging in age from 16 to 35 to 65, including weightlifters and cage fighters. She was free to have sex with an unrelated boarder living in her home from the time she was an infant, or the President. But she can't legally consent (if we are talking about something consensual) to have sex with Ruben. Why not?
Ruben Fernando-Lopez, 41, 111 Oak St., was charged here on June 19 with three counts of incest.
The daughter has told authorities that a pair of twins -- her third pregnancy -- miscarried about three months into the pregnancy.
The youngest child, who was born premature on June 12, died Saturday at Colquitt County Sheriff’s Office Inv. Mike Murfin said Monday. The mother was believed to have been 17 when she had her first child.
The Georgia Division of Family and Children Services asked the sheriff’s office to investigate the family after noting that the woman’s children had a history of developmental disabilities.The article does not say if it was determined that the disabilities were the result of genetic problems. Most children born to consanguineous parents are healthy. It is possible, though, that these two have a problem with their gene combinations. Or, perhaps, if either of them had children with others, those children would have problems, too.
“They reported apparent health problems,” sheriff’s Inv. Shawn Bostick said. “In identifying the father, it was determined the father (of the woman) was the childrens’ father.”
The surviving five children are with the mother.Well that's good. It is legal for people with obvious, serious, genetic diseases to have sex, have children together, and marry. So why is he being prosecuted? If he assaulted her, charge him appropriately. If this was consensual, prosecution is ridiculous.
“There’s no reports of them being mistreated or neglected,” Murfin said.
Notice no mention is made of her mother or any siblings of hers. That's one of the questions I have: was she raised by her father, or could this be a matter of Genetic Sexual Attraction, where she grew up with her mother, apart from him, and siblings and reunited with him later?
Another question: What has she said to authorities about this? Is there any evidence to suggest he so much as touched her before she reached the age of consent, or that there was coercion or grooming? If not, prosecution is not justice.
If this was a matter of abuse, then I'm all for locking this guy up in a bad place and throwing away the key. But if this was a consensual spousal-style relationship, then it is a travesty that he would be prosecuted and that he has been taking away from the family.
So Many Questions About Georgia Case Against Father
A man thought to have fathered up to eight children with his daughter faces incest charges in Colquitt County and could face charges in other jurisdictions in Alabama and Georgia.Notice the article says "incest charges," not assault, rape, etc. So far, the article doesn't mention her age, which matters.
Three counts of "incest." Again, not assault. The age of consent in Alabama and Georgia is 16. That means this young woman was free to have group sex with complete strangers ranging in age from 16 to 35 to 65, including weightlifters and cage fighters. She was free to have sex with an unrelated boarder living in her home from the time she was an infant, or the President. But she can't legally consent (if we are talking about something consensual) to have sex with Ruben. Why not?
Ruben Fernando-Lopez, 41, 111 Oak St., was charged here on June 19 with three counts of incest.
The daughter has told authorities that a pair of twins -- her third pregnancy -- miscarried about three months into the pregnancy.
The youngest child, who was born premature on June 12, died Saturday at Colquitt County Sheriff’s Office Inv. Mike Murfin said Monday. The mother was believed to have been 17 when she had her first child.
The Georgia Division of Family and Children Services asked the sheriff’s office to investigate the family after noting that the woman’s children had a history of developmental disabilities.The article does not say if it was determined that the disabilities were the result of genetic problems. Most children born to consanguineous parents are healthy. It is possible, though, that these two have a problem with their gene combinations. Or, perhaps, if either of them had children with others, those children would have problems, too.
“They reported apparent health problems,” sheriff’s Inv. Shawn Bostick said. “In identifying the father, it was determined the father (of the woman) was the childrens’ father.”
The surviving five children are with the mother.Well that's good. It is legal for people with obvious, serious, genetic diseases to have sex, have children together, and marry. So why is he being prosecuted? If he assaulted her, charge him appropriately. If this was consensual, prosecution is ridiculous.
“There’s no reports of them being mistreated or neglected,” Murfin said.
Notice no mention is made of her mother or any siblings of hers. That's one of the questions I have: was she raised by her father, or could this be a matter of Genetic Sexual Attraction, where she grew up with her mother, apart from him, and siblings and reunited with him later?
Another question: What has she said to authorities about this? Is there any evidence to suggest he so much as touched her before she reached the age of consent, or that there was coercion or grooming? If not, prosecution is not justice.
If this was a matter of abuse, then I'm all for locking this guy up in a bad place and throwing away the key. But if this was a consensual spousal-style relationship, then it is a travesty that he would be prosecuted and that he has been taking away from the family.
Wednesday, March 20, 2013
Update on Alabama Prosecution of Son
I last caught news on this case in December. Stephen McLamb reports at waff.com that a man convicted on a charge of incest for an encounter with his mother was criminally sentenced and released. Two important things to note about this are that...
1. It wasn't clear in earlier reports if this was a case of consensual mother-son sex or whether the son sexually assaulted his mother. At at least one point, she claimed it was consensual. Perhaps that is why the charge is "incest" and not for sexual assault or rape.
2. If this was an assault, the sentence and time served are ridiculously lenient. If it was consensual this shouldn't have been a criminal matter to begin with.
What's going on in Marshall County?
Gary Dean Helms was sentenced Monday afternoon to 10 years in jail, but the judge split the sentence to serve 1046 days, which is the time he has already served.
Ten years. Ten years for consensual sex is ridiculous. Serving only five years for sexual assault is infuriating. Which is it?
Helms pleaded guilty to incest from a 2006 incident where Helms became upset with his brother and then had sex with his mother.Rapists don't "have sex" with their victims. They assault them.
His mother at first had said she was raped and later said it was consensual.
Was she initially trying to protect herself from bigotry and prosecution? Or did she move away from the truth to protect her attacker? We don't know.
Helms was ordered to serve five years supervised probation and register as a sex offender.
If he's a predator he should be registered as an offender. But if this was consensual sex he's no threat to anyone. This is why laws criminalizing consensual adult sex need to be removed.
If this was consensual and they still want to be together, nobody should be able to stop them.
Update on Alabama Prosecution of Son
I last caught news on this case in December. Stephen McLamb reports at waff.com that a man convicted on a charge of incest for an encounter with his mother was criminally sentenced and released. Two important things to note about this are that...
1. It wasn't clear in earlier reports if this was a case of consensual mother-son sex or whether the son sexually assaulted his mother. At at least one point, she claimed it was consensual. Perhaps that is why the charge is "incest" and not for sexual assault or rape.
2. If this was an assault, the sentence and time served are ridiculously lenient. If it was consensual this shouldn't have been a criminal matter to begin with.
What's going on in Marshall County?
Gary Dean Helms was sentenced Monday afternoon to 10 years in jail, but the judge split the sentence to serve 1046 days, which is the time he has already served.
Ten years. Ten years for consensual sex is ridiculous. Serving only five years for sexual assault is infuriating. Which is it?
Helms pleaded guilty to incest from a 2006 incident where Helms became upset with his brother and then had sex with his mother.Rapists don't "have sex" with their victims. They assault them.
His mother at first had said she was raped and later said it was consensual.
Was she initially trying to protect herself from bigotry and prosecution? Or did she move away from the truth to protect her attacker? We don't know.
Helms was ordered to serve five years supervised probation and register as a sex offender.
If he's a predator he should be registered as an offender. But if this was consensual sex he's no threat to anyone. This is why laws criminalizing consensual adult sex need to be removed.
If this was consensual and they still want to be together, nobody should be able to stop them.
Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Update on Alabama Case
Authorities in Marshall County are searching for a man convicted of having sex with his mother."Having sex" indicates consent. Why would authorities bother prosecuting someone for consensual sex, let alone search for someone who did? Are law enforcement resources so abundant to be concerned about consensual sex?
Having pleaded to incest charges, the suspect was expected to be in court for sentencing but failed to show.
Arrest warrants are being issued for 25-year-old Gary Dean Helms Jr.Ten years! Ten yeas in prison for consensual sex?!?
Helms failed to show in court Monday where he was facing a prison sentence up to 10 years.
Helms pleaded guilty in September, 2011 to incest charges. He was initially charged with rape in 2006.Then why would he attack his mother? Let's turn this around. If there was a dispute between the brothers, then that would be motivation for one brother to claim the other brother engaged in rape, right?
Albertville Police said at the time Helms forcibly raped his mother, who was intoxicated and passed out on the couch of their home.
Police believe the attack was because Helms was angry with his brother over a female friend.
The only people who know for sure what went on there are the people who were present and conscious. We could have someone who assaulted his mother and she decided to cover for her son, but the conviction is for "incest," not assault. Or we would have a situation where two people had consensual sex, and third person was jealous or envious. Things would be more clear if we no longer had ridiculous laws against consensual sex between adults. If this was an assault, the mother should not cover for her son; if not for herself, for others who might be his next target. But if this was consensual sex, it should never have been a public issue to begin with.
Helms' mother later claimed she forgave her son but said it was consensual.
The website had these stories as related:
Teen arrested for raping his mother
Mother says her son was on drugs when he raped her
Mom allegedly raped by son says she forgives him
Guilty plea for man charged with raping mother
Update on Alabama Case
Authorities in Marshall County are searching for a man convicted of having sex with his mother."Having sex" indicates consent. Why would authorities bother prosecuting someone for consensual sex, let alone search for someone who did? Are law enforcement resources so abundant to be concerned about consensual sex?
Having pleaded to incest charges, the suspect was expected to be in court for sentencing but failed to show.
Arrest warrants are being issued for 25-year-old Gary Dean Helms Jr.Ten years! Ten yeas in prison for consensual sex?!?
Helms failed to show in court Monday where he was facing a prison sentence up to 10 years.
Helms pleaded guilty in September, 2011 to incest charges. He was initially charged with rape in 2006.Then why would he attack his mother? Let's turn this around. If there was a dispute between the brothers, then that would be motivation for one brother to claim the other brother engaged in rape, right?
Albertville Police said at the time Helms forcibly raped his mother, who was intoxicated and passed out on the couch of their home.
Police believe the attack was because Helms was angry with his brother over a female friend.
The only people who know for sure what went on there are the people who were present and conscious. We could have someone who assaulted his mother and she decided to cover for her son, but the conviction is for "incest," not assault. Or we would have a situation where two people had consensual sex, and third person was jealous or envious. Things would be more clear if we no longer had ridiculous laws against consensual sex between adults. If this was an assault, the mother should not cover for her son; if not for herself, for others who might be his next target. But if this was consensual sex, it should never have been a public issue to begin with.
Helms' mother later claimed she forgave her son but said it was consensual.
The website had these stories as related:
Teen arrested for raping his mother
Mother says her son was on drugs when he raped her
Mom allegedly raped by son says she forgives him
Guilty plea for man charged with raping mother
